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Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300004 is a reply to message #300003] Thu, 06 December 2018 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For you at present Slaz, 32bit Movie Maker is your only option, your 32bit Windows (depsite being on a PC thats 64bit CPU) can only run 32bit programs. If you had 64bit Windows 7/8/10 installed, then you could install either as 64bit operating systems can run both 32bit and 64bit programs.

I can't really say what you both should do as I can't really weigh up your desire for faster PC vs how much your willing to pay or do.

For VTR, the options are a little easier as he's already on 64bit Windows so performance can be gained by purchasing either an additional 4GB memory stick or if there's a cheap one out there on ebay, a 8GB memory stick.

For Slaz, then its not as simple as putting more memory in it and a 3 stage process with commitment to go with both otherwise it'd be for nowt

1) Purchase additional 4 or 8GB memory stick to suit your PC (ebay used should be fine for cheapness)
2) Backup either files to keep (Docs/Pics etc) or complete image of C drive (Macirum) to your spare/2nd hard disk for safe keeping
3) Download Windows 10 media downloader tool, let it make a USB memory stick (must be 8GB size or greater) bootable with Windows 10 setup, boot the PC up off it and install Windows 10 ensuring you choose 64bit version and enter Windows 7 key which should work fine (or you could select Upgrade this PC without USB memory but think you'll not then have option when it goes to install to install 32 or 64bit)
4) once up and running in Windows 10, either copy data (Docs etc) back to your new users folders or use Macrium image to browse the safe image of the pevious Win7 backup image and retreive/copy files from there into the new folders

or Buy a new PC for £400+

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Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300009 is a reply to message #300004] Thu, 06 December 2018 22:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks again for the info,so i suppose the Q is,
if i buy a 8gb memory stick,and a 8+gb USB memory
stick,can we do the job remotely think
Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300011 is a reply to message #300009] Fri, 07 December 2018 13:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I could help you with preparation eg ensuring you have everything backed up from the C: drive you need to keep but you'd be on your own with booting to boot of the USB memory stick and installing Windows 10 but thats fairly straight forward & your welcome to call or text me

After you'd need to reinstall Teamviewer for me to help out with putting data back to new locations if you wish.

This is the complete process except for the backup and restoration of data
https://www.faqforge.com/windows/windows-10/upgrade-32-bit-6 4-bit-version-windows-10/

You haven't confirmed you have a Windows 7 key on DVD, license sticker or similar...confirm you have it and if not, I could run a utility on your PC which will integrogate Windows 7 to reveal is current serial number (don't post key here...just confirm you have key and can read all 25 characters in 5 charactor blocks)

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Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300013 is a reply to message #300011] Fri, 07 December 2018 21:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes i have the key mate,after Chrimbo,its all yours,lucky you eek Laugh

Thanks again Thumbs Up
Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300014 is a reply to message #300013] Sat, 08 December 2018 11:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well after a bit of research it looks like I'll have to stay with what I've got for the moment Neutral

At first I scoured ebay/Amazon/interweb with info from CPU-Z to upgrade the Ram capacity to 8GB, but it would appear that the most common setup is 4 x 2GB modules, as soon as you start looking at 2 x 4GB modules (my mainboard only has 2 slots) the cost goes up considerably...at which point I may as well look at a new machine think

I also checked out the motherboard capacity & unfortunately it's only rated for 4GB max RollEyes

Thanks for all your help gents Thumbs Up Beet #1
Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300015 is a reply to message #300014] Sat, 08 December 2018 22:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Im i on the right track,PC is OPTIPLEX 755

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-4GB-2GB-Lot-Memory-Ram-4-New-D ell-Optiplex-740-DT-Desktop-755-DT-Desktop/232522312354?hash =item362368eaa2:m:mu5BPFPODI9b1VRQ0ef0wDA:rk:3:pf:0
Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300016 is a reply to message #300015] Sat, 08 December 2018 23:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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VTRsp2 wrote
I also checked out the motherboard capacity & unfortunately it's only rated for 4GB max RollEyes
Thats a shame, what motherboard is it, what format type (DDR2-xxxx etc) and is whats fitted currently 4 x 1GB or 2 x 2GB?

Slaz, found the technical manual for your motherboard, the limit supposedly is 8GB (although sometimes thats BS) in 4 x 2GB modules like the ones you've found. Have you checked your slots either physically (side of the case off) or using CPUZ-Z to see if you have 2 lots free?

if you have 4 slots each filled with 1GB modules, then that ebya listing would only get you to 6GB with 2x1GB (existing) + 2 x 2GB (new) layout?

It'd also be worth checking if the existing memory is PC2-5300 or PC2-6400 as the listing is for the slightly slower PC2-5300 memory and while 90% of the time you can fit slower and faster memory of the same type together and the PC will handle it and run at the slower speed, if you have PC2-6400 in 2x2GB modules, then I'd try get hold of the same speed and PC2-6400 is more common

eg https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4GB-2X2GB-DDR2-DESKTOP-MEMORY-PC2 -6400-8GB-RAM-DIMM-240-PIN-6400U-DDR2-800MHZ/143036364902?ha sh=item214da1b866:g:rFYAAOSwlThcA5zY:rk:18:pf:0

Avoid any PC2-6400 that mentions server ram or EEC (also server ram) or SO DIMM which is smaller type for laptops


This thread on Dell does have people running on more than 8GB Ram on their Optiplex 755's so it was probably a case of in year 2000 when your PC was released that 2GB was the biggest DIMM size available and Dell never updated the technical manual once 4GB DIMMS became available.

VTR, that does possibly open yours up for more memory depending on the motherboard model or chipset both of which will be on the Motherboard tab of CPU-Z

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Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300017 is a reply to message #300016] Sun, 09 December 2018 11:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kermit wrote on Sat, 08 December 2018 23:17
VTRsp2 wrote
I also checked out the motherboard capacity & unfortunately it's only rated for 4GB max RollEyes
Thats a shame, what motherboard is it, what format type (DDR2-xxxx etc) and is whats fitted currently 4 x 1GB or 2 x 2GB?
Screenshots from CPU-Z showing CPU & motherboard info:-
/forum/index.php?t=getfile&id=22373&private=0
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Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300018 is a reply to message #300017] Sun, 09 December 2018 11:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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& memory info for good measure Grin
/forum/index.php?t=getfile&id=22375&private=0
/forum/index.php?t=getfile&id=22376&private=0

Also info about the motherboard from the manufacturer:-
http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/advent/pc/SQ9204.htm
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Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300020 is a reply to message #300018] Mon, 10 December 2018 16:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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From what I've found out VTR, the G33/G11 Intel chipset may be able to handle 8GB of ram as some people have their PC with more than the original stated 4GB but that the chipset (which are the other chips on the motherboard besides the Processor) was used by lots of PCs and so not specific to your Advent PC which could possibly be limited to 4GB if its BIOS which is set by Advent specifically set a 4GB limit....alhtough why would they is my thinking.

Its probably 50/50 gamble it would accept more than 4GB.

How many memory slots does it have as I think I read many G33 boards only have 2 slots but if it has 4 slots I may have a 1GB PC2-6400 memory stick laying around at home/work in which case you could keep the 2x2GB already there, add the extra 1GB to a spare slot and see if it picks up its running on 5GB....as a test?

For the sake of 67p I'd be willing to post it out to you (assuming I have one....75% sure I have) smile

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Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300024 is a reply to message #300020] Tue, 11 December 2018 22:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can i ask,what d'you think of this,for after Chrimbo think

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FAST-DELL-QUAD-CORE-PC-COMPUTER-D ESKTOP-TOWER-WINDOWS-10-WIFI-8GB-RAM-1000GB-HDD/272212352402 ?_trkparms=aid%3D555017%26algo%3DPL.CASSINI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3 D55148%26meid%3D73c1b939f525416596a53e88f9742fe0%26pid%3D100 505%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26%26itm%3D272212352402&_trksid=p 2045573.c100505.m3226
Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300025 is a reply to message #300024] Tue, 11 December 2018 23:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thats not bad, although I'd try find something with USB 3.0 ports as that sort of means its a PC model within the last 2-3 years

I like this as its this small style of Pc I'm tending to buy at work although the HP version. It has 240GB SSD although only 4GB ram but should be able to buy an extra 4GB memory stick for not much

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223278719347

Or this is a bit larger and HP Prodesk (which I like), USB 3.0 ports and likley SATA 3 to make full use of the SSD I think you already have in your current PC? If so, you could plug the SSD in as a second drive, grab what you need off it when use Macrium Reflect (or I could) to image the standard 500GB HD this comes with to the SSD, swap the disks around and boot of the SSD then use then unused orginal 500GB disk as your data drive.


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-ProDesk-600-G1-SFF-Desktop-Int el-Core-i3-4360-3-7GHz-8GB-500GB-Win-10-Pro/292859641373?epi d=582447389&hash=item442fcb7e1d:g:pmUAAOSwQFNb5aQ-

Video of the prodesk...this one shows a SSD fitted and room on top for the standard 3.5" 500GB disk

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Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300026 is a reply to message #300025] Tue, 11 December 2018 23:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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or the newer G2 model....not much difference and £150 but has SSD fitted although it'd be a shame to waste your current SSD and you wouldn't then have a handy 500GB standard disk for large data

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-ProDesk-400-G2-5-SFF-Intel-Cor e-i3-8GB-RAM-128GB-SSD-Wi-Fi-W10-Pro-64bit/254011944632?hash =item3b244aaeb8:g:KE0AAOSwO7dcBrGO:rk:27:pf:0
Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300027 is a reply to message #300026] Tue, 11 December 2018 23:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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for info, this is the smaller verison of Prodesk I tend to buy for office PCs these days. Only real downside to them is no space for a second hard disk and no CD/DVD drive although a portable 500GB+ disk in a USB3.0 plugged into one of its USB3 ports will be just as fast as the same disk fitted to a SATA cable.

Bit pricy though but neat smile

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-ProDesk-400-G2-Desktop-Mini-In tel-i5-6500T-8GB-Ram-240GB-SSD-Win10P-WiFi/153287533988?hash =item23b0a625a4:g:UDwAAOSwoEFcBE49:rk:29:pf:0
Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300033 is a reply to message #300026] Wed, 12 December 2018 12:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kermit wrote on Tue, 11 December 2018 23:44
or the newer G2 model....not much difference and £150 but has SSD fitted although it'd be a shame to waste your current SSD and you wouldn't then have a handy 500GB standard disk for large data

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-ProDesk-400-G2-5-SFF-Intel-Cor e-i3-8GB-RAM-128GB-SSD-Wi-Fi-W10-Pro-64bit/254011944632?hash =item3b244aaeb8:g:KE0AAOSwO7dcBrGO:rk:27:pf:0

Blimey there's a lot to consider,i like this one,it seems a lot less
hassle for you (and me,and at £150,it wont break the bank (only my heart)
So out of the two the 400-G2 or the 600-G1,which would you pick,
i'm not that bother about the £30 rips difference,,,honest Cry
Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300034 is a reply to message #300033] Wed, 12 December 2018 20:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Depends. Does your current Pc already have a SSD disk that your prepared to use as main drive (with my help) in the new PC? if so the cheaper 600-G1 will give you a handy extra 500GB disk for £30 less as the rest of the spec looks very similar such as the two CPUs which I thought i better check and performance is + or - 5% at most which average user like yourself or me won't be able to tell but the 600G1 CPU just about beats the 400G2s CPU on the graphs

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Core-i3-4360-vs-I ntel-Core-i3-4170/2244vs2522

However, if you plan to keep the old pc going (after transferring data accross) as a second PC, then you'll want to keep the SSD in that otherwise it'd feel slow going back to a regular HD and so the 400G2 thats already has a SSD would be my preference.

In short, you'll want an SSD as the main drive whatever to make the most of the new PCs potential

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Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300035 is a reply to message #300034] Wed, 12 December 2018 21:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Cheers K,the old PC will just be a donor SSD out,and any other bits you'd need,then it's the bin
So it's the 400G2 for the next project Thumbs Up

Now where's my Santa's list santa2

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Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300036 is a reply to message #300035] Thu, 13 December 2018 00:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thought I was steering you towards the cheaper 600 G1 as you have an SSD that can be re-used, save £30 and you'll have a 500GB HD was a data drive.

Either are fine as you'll want to end up with Win10 + programs on a 120GB SSD then DATA (Docs, Pics, Music etc) set to be on 500GB HD. Think you have a normal largish HD in your current PC atm, can't recall if that was slightly faulty or its size but that might do for the second drive.

As I say, both good PCs, choose based on the drives you need
Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300037 is a reply to message #300036] Thu, 13 December 2018 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kermit wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 00:04
Thought I was steering you towards the cheaper 600 G1 as you have an SSD that can be re-used, save £30 and you'll have a 500GB HD was a data drive.

Either are fine as you'll want to end up with Win10 + programs on a 120GB SSD then DATA (Docs, Pics, Music etc) set to be on 500GB HD. Think you have a normal largish HD in your current PC atm, can't recall if that was slightly faulty or its size but that might do for the second drive.

As I say, both good PCs, choose based on the drives you need
Sorry K,I misread the post ,so it's back to saving money 🤣
600 G1 it is, roll on 2019 👍😉
Re: Which Internet Browser??? [message #300044 is a reply to message #300037] Fri, 14 December 2018 22:50 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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And finally when we go for the HP Prodesk 600 G1,will i need,this
8GB memory stick think
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