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Kinda funny [message #300936] Fri, 05 July 2019 11:39 Go to next message
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It's kinda funny if you think about it.

We all came from the MCN Fireblade forum but how many of us still ride one....
Re: Kinda funny [message #300937 is a reply to message #300936] Fri, 05 July 2019 11:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've looked low and high for a used 929 for years. Let's just say what was available isn't exactly as well cared for as Kermit's. Laugh

Now that a few decent examples at sane prices are popping up I've realized my present BMW is as fast as my 929 was, cheaper to live with and more comfortable to boot. think
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Kakugo wrote on Fri, 05 July 2019 12:58
I've looked low and high for a used 929 for years. Let's just say what was available isn't exactly as well cared for as Kermit's. Laugh

Now that a few decent examples at sane prices are popping up I've realized my present BMW is as fast as my 929 was, cheaper to live with and more comfortable to boot. think
There's a few kicking around here if your interested.

https://www.motoroccasion.nl/motoren/zoeken/uitgebreid.html
https://www.autoscout24.nl/
Re: Kinda funny [message #300940 is a reply to message #300938] Fri, 05 July 2019 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Think its just me and Pecker (or is it Yorkie) with a proper bike now, all other are poor imitations of a real bike Grin

Is it time to rename the forum bike-forums.com
Re: Kinda funny [message #300942 is a reply to message #300940] Fri, 05 July 2019 20:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep still got one of mine Thumbs Up

At Spa last year smile

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Re: Kinda funny [message #300947 is a reply to message #300942] Sat, 06 July 2019 05:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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pecker wrote on Fri, 05 July 2019 21:52
Yep still got one of mine Thumbs Up

At Spa last year smile

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Still looks good.
Re: Kinda funny [message #300948 is a reply to message #300947] Sat, 06 July 2019 05:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Another fun little detail.
My phone is now more powerful than my PC was then....
Re: Kinda funny [message #300949 is a reply to message #300938] Sat, 06 July 2019 12:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WD wrote on Fri, 05 July 2019 14:58
Kakugo wrote on Fri, 05 July 2019 12:58
I've looked low and high for a used 929 for years. Let's just say what was available isn't exactly as well cared for as Kermit's. Laugh

Now that a few decent examples at sane prices are popping up I've realized my present BMW is as fast as my 929 was, cheaper to live with and more comfortable to boot. think
There's a few kicking around here if your interested.

https://www.motoroccasion.nl/motoren/zoeken/uitgebreid.html
https://www.autoscout24.nl/
There's one about 60 miles from me right now. Very well kept, 2000 model year in black, 54,000km on clocks, comes with an eyesore of a top box ( Laugh ). Asking price is €2,750 but I think the owner will let it go for €2,400 or so in cash. Leaving aside the extra things the bike would need at that mileage (educated guess: new throttle and clutch cables, suspension overhaul front and rear, exhaust flapper valve clean and possibly the headstock bearings) I was recently quoted €200/year to insure a 125cc Honda Cub. eek It killed a lot of my enthusiasm to buy a third bike.
Re: Kinda funny [message #300950 is a reply to message #300949] Sat, 06 July 2019 19:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Honda went a bit.........................well, shit. Same old same old that didn't work for them. A bit of controversy here and there and that was it.






I've always liked me suzuki's but Honda is close to me heart too. Grin

Just don't own one now, Yamaha yes, Suzuki yes, Kawasaki yes, but no Honda. smile
Re: Kinda funny [message #300952 is a reply to message #300950] Sun, 07 July 2019 18:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I do smile

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Re: Kinda funny [message #300953 is a reply to message #300936] Tue, 09 July 2019 17:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What's this thing with buying bikes and not riding them? Laugh
Re: Kinda funny [message #300954 is a reply to message #300952] Wed, 10 July 2019 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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RWB929 wrote on Sun, 07 July 2019 19:40
I do smile

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Looking good.

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Re: Kinda funny [message #300956 is a reply to message #300954] Wed, 10 July 2019 21:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can anyone put into more than a few words why Honda's tend to be 'a bit shit' now compared to other brands?

As someone who hasn't visited a bike shop for a few years and can't justify £15K+ on a new bike or tbh £5-6K on a used one given they do exactly what my current bike does just a bit faster all the manufacturers superbikes look pretty slick to me, damn fast and I assume all handle pretty well too so what's is there to mock other than the prices?

For example, I used to slag of in the early naughties my mates buying a Kawasaki (eg 636) mainly as it didn't take long for the various fasteners to start to rust/tarnish within <a year and the fact Kawasaki cheated the 600cc category with the extra 37cc even though it was a good bike in terms of looks, performance and handling compared to my better Honda which was easy really as for a long time most of my mates had 600's (R6, ZXR6, GSXR600/750) while I'd already moved up to 900/1000cc bikes Laugh

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Re: Kinda funny [message #300957 is a reply to message #300936] Thu, 11 July 2019 10:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Honda still hasn't recovered from the spectacular failure of their sales model in 2008 which led to a catastrophic collapse in European sales and the systemic culling of dealerships.

Lack of leadership has prevented them to develop a new policy for the European market; in turn this lack of a firm policy means the R&D center in Tsukigi is not designing the new bikes Honda Europe requires to regain lost customers. This means they keep on rehashing the same old same old and the new models they design tend to flop so spectacularly (VFR1200F anyone?) because they are not what dealers can sell to people but they are designed by committee.
Rehashing works with bottom-line scooters, or at least it will work until Indians will become really aggressive like they are becoming elsewhere. But it doesn't work with bikes.
This is not merely a matter of performances. It's also a matter of running costs. It's also a matter of safety and comfort. It's a matter of image: Honda comes of as not caring about what customers want and gets punished accordingly.


Re: Kinda funny [message #300958 is a reply to message #300957] Thu, 11 July 2019 18:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There you see Kermit, a bit shit. Wink






For me many of the manufacturers have been making good progress with their new bikes, more than just tweaks, some solid engineering changes. Honda have just done what Honda do best, predictable conservatism, take no chances, keep flogging that Fireblade with little changes other than improvements on previous issues for the most part, nothing really driving the development.

The GSXR also started to lose a bit of its soul, tamed a little too much and started to lose its appeal, this new version has gone back to its roots for its rawness. Yes there are things on it which arent perfect, but nothing you don't expect from Suzuki, it does though stick a massive grin back on your face as it's got huge smiles per mile.

Ducati have some nice bikes, Aprilia too, Yamaha did their thing with the M1, another great bike, Kawasaki's ZX10R is nothing startling but still doing it well. Honda, just continue to be Honda.

To say all the new stuff are shit is hardly accurate, a bit like tyres, none of them are shit, just different degrees of good to brilliant, horses for courses.

Re: Kinda funny [message #300959 is a reply to message #300958] Thu, 11 July 2019 21:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Could someone,resize that bloody photo,i'm reading the posts
and keep forgetting to scroll along,thinking they don't make sense
Re: Kinda funny [message #300960 is a reply to message #300959] Thu, 11 July 2019 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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slaz wrote on Thu, 11 July 2019 21:19
Could someone,resize that bloody photo,i'm reading the posts
and keep forgetting to scroll along,thinking they don't make sense
Laugh me too
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I think its more to do with BHP and gadgets, unless its got nigh on 200bhp or more, a quickshifter, blipper, anti wheelie, TC, pit lane limiter, slipper clutch, active suspension etc etc then the mags are saying its behind the times.
This may be true for a trackbike/race bike, but seriously are all these add ons really required to make a good road going bike? I doubt it.

Is it also the case that due to sportsbikes becoming so track focused that many riders are turning to naked bikes like the Tuono and Speed/street triples which are generally now as powerful as recent sportsbikes but not quite so harsh to ride on the road, Honda definitely missed a trick here with the CB1000r Confused



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Re: Kinda funny [message #300962 is a reply to message #300961] Sat, 13 July 2019 07:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wouldn't argue with that Loz, everything has become far too track focused, the manfuacturers are ina difficult spot though, Racing series dictates it to be so, or it can't happen can it, so it has to roll out to the market like it or not.

You're right about the naked market though, and that's the point with Honda, they haven't contributed to it on the same level as the demand for it, it's about "This is what you need" rather than what you're asking for.

Tha media have to be considered in context eh (I know you know that already) trouble is there are too many folk out there concerned with the detail as it's presented. I mean really, 2 HP diference here and there does it really matter? No of course not, the new suzuki has got its negatives from the press too, the ABS on track you can't turn off, the brake lever comes back too far (there is a remedy for that cheap simple and totally acceptable from an engineering view) mine has just beem fixed but based upon my own experience of it and not the media's interpretation of it.

Quickshifter, blipper, slipper clitch, 6-axis sensor traction control,launch control, lap timer, on the road? total waste of time, total gimmick, on the track they'll have their uses for sure.

I've only just manage to complete the 600 service on this bike, so now I can experience it for what it is, I'm not going to be disappointed am I, if I am, I should take up knitting or face painting for a pastime, because I'm already dead. Wink

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Re: Kinda funny [message #300966 is a reply to message #300962] Sun, 14 July 2019 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I think the main issue Honda has is image.
The bike is perceived as dull.
I mean when was the blade the must have bike?
It's been years.

All it's about is the BMW now. This has been and is the it bike. And it has been for 10 years or so now.

As for all the extras. The BMW has heated grips ffs. It's the whole package.
Honda just doesn't have that. I mean they can even treat their race teams fairly let alone the customer.
BMW gives the customer what they want.
Simply everything.
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