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SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253814] Mon, 18 July 2011 21:11 Go to next message
SPAL is currently offline  SPAL   United Kingdom
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HI All,

Posted a few odds * sods questions on the 400 section about this build, but now the time has come to get it started.

Bike is a cbr400rr gullarm N reg import - saw it for the first time tonight and its really clean, just been stood for 10, yes 10 years.

Guy who owns it is the boss of my local offy, knows nothing about bikes and so i'm mindful of the cashflow that potentially could go into a build like this.

Also, and i know this may raise a few laughs, whilst i have proved i have no issue ripping apart bikes i own, this is different ! A customers bike !

AS i say saw it tonight, really clean although covered in 10 years of shite Laugh

First impressions:

Apart from the fact it don't run, broken rear LH indicator, non uk spec. Battery missing - pos connection has M4 screw fitted so whilst i can get running with a uk battery i may need to source something or make a mod.
throttle siezed - no movement @ all. - get running on carbs & sorce cables me thinks.

This rebuild is a hole new kettle of fish - i worked for 10 years in the motor trade and know how important communication with the customer is - this rebuild is takin me back 10 years and whilst i know i have no issues on the "service" front i now need to deliver on the "spanner" front as well !

AS a bitof a game, i will keep a record of the ammount of time i've spent on this - the cost of parts will be picked up by the customer

PIcs of bike hopefully posted tommorrow

Wish me luck !

SPal
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253822 is a reply to message #253814] Mon, 18 July 2011 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WEll,

Here she is :

index.php?t=getfile&id=19074&private=0

Bit late tonight 2 get started - more tommorrow i'm sure

note to self : don;t let this stop u finishing the SP

SPal
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253823 is a reply to message #253822] Mon, 18 July 2011 22:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good fun them little 400's. I really enjoyed my Tri-arm Thumbs Up
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253830 is a reply to message #253823] Tue, 19 July 2011 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Looking forward to a <5 page thread RollEyes



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Not want to piss on your parade but isn't it time you got yourself a proper camera as I love reading rebuilds/repairs smile

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Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253839 is a reply to message #253830] Tue, 19 July 2011 11:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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that pic is a bit too small aint it ?.. Laugh
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253843 is a reply to message #253839] Tue, 19 July 2011 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you still got your wanking glasses on Streeky Grin
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253844 is a reply to message #253843] Tue, 19 July 2011 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anyone else think it's time to let Al have his own subforum? smile
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253850 is a reply to message #253844] Tue, 19 July 2011 15:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi All,

yeah, sorry about the pic, its one of the few i've taken which has been under the forum limit so i didn't resize it Wall

Smaller pic:

index.php?t=getfile&id=19076&private=0

As its such a shite day decided against starting taking apart - Identified bike as CBR400RRR (NC29).

davis silver quotes :

Battery £35.00
throttle cable (open) £15.00
throttle cable (close) £19.15
rear Indicator Assy £40.20

Looking round bike its in completly original condition with 14,000 km on the clock, so will be trying to keep original equipment if at all possible.

Whilst most stuff is similar to most other honda sports bikes be nice to get manual for carb settings etc, don't supose anyone has one ?

Cheers

Spal
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253860 is a reply to message #253850] Tue, 19 July 2011 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well,

Couldn't just look @ the 400, so started by giving a good wash and suprise suprise as soon as i had it pissed down Laugh

My inital feelings of how clean (mechanically) this bike was soon disappeared - many missing bits of fairing, clps etc etc etc etc.

Made a start by pumping up tyres - now i can move it Thumbs Up

As its battery connections are nothing like anything i can match up a uk battery to, im making some jumpers from 3mm earth cable - don't want to spend any cash on parts until its been fully checked out

Removed tank & airbox ( 1 trumpet detatched from airbox so will have to glue back later )

Removed throttle twistgrip to investigate siezed throttle, to my dismay both throttle cables are free eek with both detatched carb linkage is siezed eek eek - sprayed with loads of wd40 but have a feeling carbs will need to come off for further investigation. tbh, they probably would have anyway to clean out float bowls/jets etc but I would have prefered it if the cables had been siezed

index.php?t=getfile&id=19077&private=0


Cost so far = 1 hours labour @ discounted rate of £30 p/h - £0 parts

And yes Kermit, you are right, i need a better camera !
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253870 is a reply to message #253860] Tue, 19 July 2011 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You have pm Wink
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253871 is a reply to message #253870] Tue, 19 July 2011 20:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WEll,

Got carbs off and butterflys were siezed solid Thumbs Up

Stripped off float bowls, jets, diaphrapms to get down to carb bodies.

Never liked seperating carbs and thank god didn't need to. sprayed gallons of wd40 into each carb (around butterfly) round return springs etc etc and operated linkage until all freed up - thank F**K.

Everything is coated in old petol shite so a good clean is called for but @ least got carb linkages freed off so all good Grin

index.php?t=getfile&id=19078&private=0

and yes kerm, i still need a new camera Laugh

SPal
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253877 is a reply to message #253871] Tue, 19 July 2011 22:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi All,

Carbs now cleaned, freed off & back together,, tank drained of old (well gone off fuel) throttle twist grip refitted

Electrics checked - all working except rear brake stop light, hopefully just switch needs djustment.

this bike has no light switch, its blanked off on the switch so lights on all the time RollEyes

Hopefully tommorrow night can get carbs refitted, airbox & tank on & see if I can get her to fire up

SPal
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253878 is a reply to message #253877] Tue, 19 July 2011 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good stuff Thumbs Up
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253882 is a reply to message #253878] Tue, 19 July 2011 23:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The rate your going you'll be finished by page 2 Thumbs Up Laugh
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253890 is a reply to message #253882] Wed, 20 July 2011 03:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Laugh

Thats the plan !

I really need this done & dusted by end of next week, he was promising to get it to me for weeks and then two weeks b4 i'm off with specific reason to get SP finished it turns up.

Been hunting for service bits on line tonight, tbh no ones that much (if @ all) cheeper than David Silver so am tempted to just get everything in 1 hit & save on postage.

Rear indicator is special order so will probably just bung some spare bulb ones in it to get through the MOT & sort out later.

Don't know why but I thought I'd better double check jets and glad i did cause every one had some blockage or another, - have left soaking in wd40 overnight. Whats the best stuff to use to clean them out with ?

Removed fuel filter, again full of shite fuel, looks the same as the 893 one, so i might rob it until parts order comes through

Been robbing the old parts bin, lost two inlet rubber nuts while taking them off so out came the knackered 893 clamps and reused nuts Thumbs Up

Removed LH bar end which was @ a funny angle, section of bar end weight came with it, obviously been down the road, luckily new screw is just long enough to catch remaining threads in bar weight - all back together Thumbs Up

Cleaned up inlet rubbers which are really shite... rock hard, try the old boiling ater trick as knowing the price of these he aint gonna want new ones fitted ( fingers x'd no air leaks)

Bit concerned that with all the crud thats been in these carbs something else will be blocked, still getting very slight snatchyness when throttle first opened but i'm hoping with use and fresh petrol this will clear up

Anyway enough for tonight/this morning - more fun tommorow Grin

SPal

Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253893 is a reply to message #253890] Wed, 20 July 2011 09:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Alan, will you put that bloody 400 down and get them pipes on the SP and post some pics Thumbs Up then i can photoshop them onto my bike Laugh
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253894 is a reply to message #253893] Wed, 20 July 2011 11:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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HI STeve,

Pipes havn't arrived yet + need this out of my garage so I have room 2 work on the SP

Have pateince Laugh

Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253958 is a reply to message #253894] Thu, 21 July 2011 00:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ill swap you my rear swingarm ?? you know you want to !!!
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #253992 is a reply to message #253958] Thu, 21 July 2011 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmmm Davy

Let me think about that.... er NO eek

This isn't my bike so no major mods/bling etc being considered - just get it going, through MOT and back on the road.

Carbs now fully rebuilt and fitted, throttle & choke cables fitted and free Thumbs Up

Biggest problem is I can't get the fuel out of the tank Wall

Initially drained using tap on reserve, but still qiet a lot left in, removed fuel tap and no more came out, theres what looks like a plastic filter which goes into the tank which I have a feelingmay be blocked and stopping old shite ful coming out, but can't get it out and when i open filling cap and shake again get virtually nothing out,

Am tempted to use my 893 blade tank to get running as I know its clean - any ideas ?

Other small issue was that I tried spinning over using battery & jumper leads and amp draw melted wiring ( had visions of garage & 5 bikes all going up in flames ) eek but managed to disconnect & get outside RollEyes

After a couple of days bending over this bike the backs gone again Thumb Down Day off today me thinks

SPal
Re: SPal's CBR400RR tart up [message #254044 is a reply to message #253992] Thu, 21 July 2011 22:06 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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melted which wiring, the bikes wiring, your modded wire or the jump leads? Confused

As for the tank, how much do you reckon is left in...a litre or two? Maybe if its going to be a big hassle simply stick 8 litres or so of fresh fuel in which should dilute the shite fuel enough for it to start

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