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Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302294 is a reply to message #302293] Mon, 27 April 2020 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Simple solutions are always the best Grin Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302295 is a reply to message #301835] Mon, 27 April 2020 09:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Could you post a picture of your indicator relay and look what wattage the indicator bulbs are? Usually that kind of problem is due to a mismatch in wattage/amperage, meaning the new bulbs draw far less amps than the relay is designed to work with. The problem can be easily sorted by soldering a resistor in line, but these days LED bulbs with in-built resistors are cheaper per chips on a weight basis.
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302297 is a reply to message #302295] Mon, 27 April 2020 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My indicators are now all LED indicators, no idea of the wattage but I did buy a LED flasher to go with them which does the job (blink rate is correct) so not sure if the resistor trick is still an option?

As I have an issue with the speedo not picking up speed I may yet replace the clocks anyway for a newer model (or completely different type) with individual L&R warning lights so I think that would resolve the issue as I'd have to feed the Orange and Light Blue wires separately to that so I think L&R warning lights would then be totally seaprate and no longer an issue.

I've tested current the speedo pickup lead (2 wire type) with a multimeter and when a magnet is passed next to it the ohms do fluctuate so I don't think its the sensor (£10 by itself) so may well either buy....

https://www.ooracing.com/speedo-suitable-for-madass-125-oe-s tyle-with-back-up-battery.html <-- like the current one but newer

although tempted by this one but have to think through how to mount (+ wiring RollEyes)
https://www.ooracing.com/speedo-mph-or-kph-rev-counter-warni ng-lights-clock-shift-light-gear-position-indicator-fuel-gau ge.html
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302298 is a reply to message #302297] Mon, 27 April 2020 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So you must have a double positive feed or the positive and negative reversed.
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302299 is a reply to message #302298] Mon, 27 April 2020 21:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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possibly, but not a clue, all I know is its working although stopped short of trying to wire up the pass wire.
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302300 is a reply to message #302299] Tue, 28 April 2020 09:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Monday 27th April 2020

Fitted Mirrors
https://i.imgur.com/NDe47D6.jpg

The new Switchgear/Brake. Bleed the front brake
https://i.imgur.com/8pieYiM.jpg

Standard Clocks - I've ordered a replacement now due to speedo not working & wanting something with revs & individual L&R indicator warning lights
https://i.imgur.com/FJXw5y9.jpg

Chain & Passenger footpegs Refitted
https://i.imgur.com/9bwtUG9.jpg

Exhaust Mounting
https://i.imgur.com/2LdHKrh.jpg

Rear End
https://i.imgur.com/vRKmqOD.jpg
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302301 is a reply to message #301835] Tue, 28 April 2020 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I suspect you were sold either a relay for bikes with emergency blinkers or (more likely) or relay with very high wattage/amperage.
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302359 is a reply to message #302301] Thu, 14 May 2020 12:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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14th May 2020

New Clocks arrived. Its basically a copy of the much more expensive KOSO RX-2N clocks like this but cost less so I'm not complaining other than the fact the box didn't contain wiring instructions/diagram although I've found this myself thanks to Google

Indicators wired in and L & R dummy lights now work. Having a bit of a snag with power/backlight in that it needs +12 ignition switched, +12 constant (to maintain clock) & negative but when I give it just the +12 on one or other of the +12v feeds it doesn't power on, if I give it both it comes on fine but backlight is on which should really only come on with the main lights. I'm sure I'll figure it out or make do with backlight always on
https://i.imgur.com/uGy7MMG.jpg

Temporary wire from CDI pulse generation to the new clocks for rev counter. There's supposed to be a Blue/White wire up front near headlight/main connectors which I think also carries this signal but I can't seem to find it. If I can't, I'll have to run this wire from back to front as neat as possible
https://i.imgur.com/EMlv9nr.jpg

9 pin connector for new clocks, some wires in (3 for indicators...which work), the others are still in progress while I figure out power/backlight issue
https://i.imgur.com/ZyxmAdx.jpg

Unfortunately, I don't think there's a way to get the gear indicator function or fuel gauge working as I don't have wires/fuel sensor

Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302360 is a reply to message #302359] Thu, 14 May 2020 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've now managed to sort out the wiring and tucked all the wires away now + found an old metal bracket which along with some rubber stalks with long bolts through them has allowed me to mount the clocks quite high up so the raised bars don't obscure them. That black plate at the front is just a cover the previous owner must have made up to cover the gap between lights/wires and clocks with the raised bars. I'll perhaps look to beautifying that next but for now it'll do

https://i.imgur.com/8dVRui3.jpg

Clocks as seen from riders view point.....they're not faulty, I am giving it a few revs for the pic Grin
https://i.imgur.com/rI5Cm9O.jpg


Next up, I have to figure out how to change the backlight colour (supposedly 7 colours) and what the various other step though numbers/settings do when putting it in config mode. Some are obvious like wheel circumference and another with the value that goes from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 6 to 8 [which will be cylinders for revs sensing so I left that at 1] but others not so obvious although I'm sure google will help me work the others out and whether any need adjusting from default
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302365 is a reply to message #301835] Fri, 15 May 2020 08:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You could always join the "I wake up every night a dozen times because of nightmares" club by fitting a float sensor and a potentiometer to have fuel level and gear indicator as well. Wink
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302366 is a reply to message #302365] Fri, 15 May 2020 18:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nevermind the clocks, centre your bars out they're annoying me.

Ha ha.



Detail fella, detail. Laugh
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302367 is a reply to message #302366] Fri, 15 May 2020 21:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quazi wrote on Fri, 15 May 2020 18:29
Nevermind the clocks, centre your bars out they're annoying me.
Thought I remembering taking the time to get them right a few weeks back but guess at the time I had too much other stuff to do to it and ended up rushing it

Job now done Thumbs Up
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302369 is a reply to message #302367] Sat, 16 May 2020 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For £6+postage, I could buy a gear position sensor to replace this neutral only sensor specifically designed for this bikes N-1-2-3-4 gear pattern and wire it up to the new clocks but I'd need 5 more wires running between the rear and front so not sure atm whether I want/need that so much

https://i.imgur.com/SlzBqRk.jpg

I have been for short run to a couple of shops for some essentials this morning on it, its working well, no issues and while the handling is a lot different from my Fireblade, its still quite good fun and a nippy little thing Grin

Some [almost finished] pictures

https://i.imgur.com/4C8tDyY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jtfAUYe.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/INcv2Zw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/sBW3N1A.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1qWcf1m.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pdn9kSj.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/k1QvyXI.jpg

If I have resisted the temptation to sell it going into autumn, I may well get the forks powder coated a dark metallic grey.
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302372 is a reply to message #302369] Sun, 17 May 2020 08:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's it then. The Fireblade is toast. Laugh
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302422 is a reply to message #301899] Sat, 13 June 2020 23:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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pecker wrote on Fri, 13 March 2020 20:27
BTW a mate of mine owns OORacing, hes a bit of a character but knows his stuff,
Just re-reading the thread to kill some time and see I'd missed that Pecks. I spoke to him while trying to sort electrics and ordering some bits of him, seems like a genuinely good guy, certainly helped Thumbs Up
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #302427 is a reply to message #302422] Mon, 15 June 2020 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Great job Kermit Thumbs Up
It looks great

Yeah he is a genuine guy, helped Me and my mates out a lot over the years,

I bought a Chinese copy honda pit bike off him when he first got into doing this 15 odd years ago, its still going strong Thumbs Up
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #303678 is a reply to message #301994] Sun, 07 August 2022 21:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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did we ever see the final build?
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #303700 is a reply to message #303678] Thu, 08 September 2022 23:54 Go to previous message
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Thats final build a few posts above.

Some update though, I sold it not too long afterwards (felt a bit silly on it Laugh ), the guy that bought it said he had a reasonable collection of bikes.

A few weeks later, he got in contact about where to get engine spares, it appears he ragged the arse of it and blew the engine Doh
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