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Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301899 is a reply to message #301898] Fri, 13 March 2020 20:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pecker is currently offline  pecker   United Kingdom
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Looking Good Kermit Thumbs Up

and as already said it was always going to end up in bits and rebuilt to look like new

BTW a mate of mine owns OORacing, hes a bit of a character but knows his stuff,
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301900 is a reply to message #301899] Fri, 13 March 2020 20:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kermit is currently offline  Kermit   United Kingdom
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After much googling, I've found some pics that will hopefully get me back on track regarding the wiring in the battery box area & regulator position

https://i.imgur.com/4W6jErv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nmJ0iho.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2f0kpbo.jpg

Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301902 is a reply to message #301835] Fri, 13 March 2020 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kinda sounds like my first Aprilia dirt bike: electric starter was there merely as ballast. Laugh
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301948 is a reply to message #301902] Sun, 22 March 2020 22:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Committed to getting the loom in place properly - I think I might have it right but sods law likely dictate I'll have some wire feeding to the back box area that shouldn't be there and I'll have to remove/loosen the swingarm support (the main black bit now fitted) to reroute it later

https://i.imgur.com/nOIe8oj.jpg

I just hope I can figure out where some of these wires go
https://i.imgur.com/BoQFcJI.jpg
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301949 is a reply to message #301948] Mon, 23 March 2020 07:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Always the way on a rebuild that you think you're going great guns , only to have to part strip again to put something in place , just walk away ,cup of tea ,and back into it Thumbs Up
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301951 is a reply to message #301949] Mon, 23 March 2020 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Have to agree and done that a few times today although its coffee in my case Thumbs Up

This isn't the original location of the regulator, thats still lost on me but a few holes (that were already indicated/dimpled) and it fits. I'll probably find the real location sooner or later but this'll do unless I find something else that needs this space

https://i.imgur.com/pSByhJM.jpg

Picked up a few new Cap head allen bolts today and tightened up the suspension
https://i.imgur.com/mwKvOpa.jpg

This is where I'm up to at present. Not sure if the next step is wheels on or engine in....I think the engine
https://i.imgur.com/4vtpKKF.jpg
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301954 is a reply to message #301951] Mon, 23 March 2020 20:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Must say Si , hadn't seen one of these bikes before, but it is a groovy little bike Thumbs Up
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301955 is a reply to message #301954] Mon, 23 March 2020 20:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It'll probably be for sale in the near future as "restored Madass 155cc, non runner" Laugh
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301958 is a reply to message #301955] Tue, 24 March 2020 04:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If your like me you will get it running, I'm like a dog with a bone , I always go back and have another chew at it Grin
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301960 is a reply to message #301958] Tue, 24 March 2020 21:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, can't leave it alone and can't stand the potential of leaving it as a deserted project bike in bits like you see all too often on ebay + I'm impatient Grin

I'd given the engine a bit of a clean and rub with wire brush but to finish it off to get rid of grime in the crevices took it outside, gave it the gunk treatment, wait 10mins & hosed down - its clean enough for me now
https://i.imgur.com/wTjfFMn.jpg

Fitting the engine....believe it or not, only 2 bolts hold it in. Still it took me 3 goes of bolting it in place then having to release it again to reroute breather tube + 2 sets of wires on the right side of the black suspension/swingarm bracket before I was happy
https://i.imgur.com/4Z28SMt.jpg

Attempt #2 - Breather can't go here, too close to rear brake, couldn't go other side either or right behind engine in between swingarm pivot as clearance too tight....found a way in the end...I shortened it Laugh
https://i.imgur.com/1TEVZQP.jpg

The loom between engine and CDI/Electricals had this and was also too long. Looks like due to it having an engine change from 50cc at some point, the wires of the new engine needed to join the original connector. This is the wrong way to do it + the resulting wires about 12" too long
https://i.imgur.com/QejEzDg.jpg

My way
https://i.imgur.com/o4TLRio.jpg

Cleaner now although in hindsight probably left too much loom in place, could do with 4-6" shorter
https://i.imgur.com/mZRDdyi.jpg

Electrics slowly sorting themselves out but have a few loose wires and a question. The circled red thing is the starter relay yes? As this engine doesn't have a starter, can I remove that?
https://i.imgur.com/7uIwlRS.jpg

Current State
https://i.imgur.com/AgP7eeK.jpg

Current State #2
https://i.imgur.com/UejTJdD.jpg
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301964 is a reply to message #301960] Wed, 25 March 2020 04:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Does it already have a starter switch and kill switch on the handle bars , if not then should be ok to remove the starter solenoid , but as there is a 12v constant feed to the Kill/Starter switch just make sure that you have a feed to the horn and lights and maybe put in some inline fuses , have you blanked off that Green/Red wire ,as I think thats your Neutral switch, but off course I could be talking B*****K's RollEyes
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301982 is a reply to message #301964] Fri, 27 March 2020 10:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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it does have starter/kill switchgear so I've decided to keep it in place as I sort of [hopefully] remembered how it connects....just hope the one spare wire (green) that had a O== connector I had to find a location for goes to one of the poles on the relay otherwise sparks may fly Laugh

Made some progress yesterday. Have committed the electrical connections in the rear black box,put the cover on and fitted the rear wheel and also the seat
https://i.imgur.com/FjQx6GU.jpg

Struggled a bit to figure out how the stands springs fitted with relation to the flat bracket but figured it out in the end
https://i.imgur.com/zGFvc8f.jpg

Fitted front wheel, its getting there now
https://i.imgur.com/nBOEMrs.jpg
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301983 is a reply to message #301982] Fri, 27 March 2020 11:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hopefully you will be able to finish it off at the same time that the Virus runs out of steam, and get it along to a bike meet where I'm sure it will get as much attention as the bigger Sport bikes smile Thumbs Up
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301984 is a reply to message #301983] Fri, 27 March 2020 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A lot of that will depend on

a) Electrics - did I get them right Confused
b) MOT - it needs one and don't think the 6 month extension will be valid as it ran out last Sept
c) a need a new front mudguard.....I buggered up the original one when removing the front wheel single handed. May try fix (need some sort of plastic epoxy) or I'll buy new

Have fitted the carb now...next the bars although tempted to step back and redo the top yoke as the finish on that isn't right (a fair few spots of raised paint...not sure how that happened) so may flatten it and respray that will delay me a day or so on the bars/switchgear and front end electrics
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301985 is a reply to message #301984] Fri, 27 March 2020 15:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Slow down K.

There's a lot more boring weeks ahead yet !!
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301987 is a reply to message #301985] Fri, 27 March 2020 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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True but I'm already bored Laugh

Loosely fitted the front end switch gear/headlight assembly earlier and while I didn't bother connecting lights, I did turn the key, no sparks or explosion and the speedos display lit up...one small step
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301988 is a reply to message #301835] Fri, 27 March 2020 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just wait until the third week of full lockdown starts, then you'll tell me. Laugh

Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301991 is a reply to message #301988] Sat, 28 March 2020 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fri 27th/Sat 28th March

Front caliper is looking a bit poor (mainly big chips to other side of this pic) so have decided to spray that. Pic taken mainly for reassembly purposes
https://i.imgur.com/a7cs2R8.jpg

At the same time as spraying the front caliper, I flattened the top yoke that had a few pits and gave it another few coats and now fitted. For now I'll put up with the silver/gold bar risers but may replace them in the future with black anodised items if I can find some that suit
https://i.imgur.com/jugeNrt.jpg

Carb fitted and new air filter fitted. Despite looking at many types, this is the same type as the old one as it was the best combination of fit, style and cost
https://i.imgur.com/B8aeq3g.jpg
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301992 is a reply to message #301991] Sat, 28 March 2020 21:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Coming together nicely Kermit Thumbs Up
Re: Kerm's Sachs Madass 160 [message #301994 is a reply to message #301991] Sun, 29 March 2020 07:13 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Yes matey its looking good Thumbs Up
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